TELL US: Thoughts After Ravens Fire Cam Cameron

Geoffrey Atkinson December 10, 2012 at 08:47 pm

Not sure how this is going to help the 24th rated defense.

Corduroy December 10, 2012 at 10:54 pm

It's strange for sure.
But on the other hand, do you think they would have had a better chance in the next several games (and possibly playoffs) sticking with Cam still as OC or with Caldwell as OC? The personnel is there but the play calling has been baffling at times and Cam never made any adjustments resulting in the Dr. Jeckyll/Mr. Hyde we've seen of this offense.

Walter M Ambrose December 10, 2012 at 11:20 pm

They need to fire Flacco, he is only good enough to be what he was drafted for, a backup, he doesn't have the mental agility to run an NFL offense without an excellant injury-free defense his incompetance is glaring.

Tim December 11, 2012 at 12:00 am

Corduroy: Again, this is just a somewhat outsider's opinion, but yes, I think they were better off keeping Cameron and jettison him at season end if that's the desire.
Fun fact: Caldwell hasn't called offensive plays since....2000. In college - Wake forest, I think.

Jason Keyes December 11, 2012 at 01:26 am

Having watched Flacco his whole NFL career, your comment is nonsense. Flacco's a good QB, and we've seen what he can do when desperation forced Cameron to adjust. The Ravens have won 9 games this year without an "injury-free defense," so your opinion is based on an error.

Jason Keyes December 11, 2012 at 01:32 am

Cameron kept running the ball in the second half against the Redskins. The problem wasn't the number of passes the Ravens ran, but the type. Haslett had adjusted his defense to blitz, Cameron didn't adjust to account for the blitz. We've seen that from him for more than four years.

lynn December 11, 2012 at 02:31 am

I agree with his firing, but what I'd really like to see is Flacco benched! Or any of the players who really screw up on the field. But Flacco looks disinterested in being on the field or for that matter at the stadium. He looks like he needs about 5-6 Five Hour Energy drinks. If a player can't make the throw or a receiver can't catch the ball then sit them on the bench! Give somebody else a chance. It' s not the coach's fault, it the players who can't perform.

Corduroy December 11, 2012 at 02:51 am

I've had the pleasure to listen and watch Raven's games since I moved here several years ago. But I still bleed Orange and Blue (Broncos).
Typically when something like this happens, it's out of frustration. Good or bad, it'll be interesting to see. There were reports that Harbs told Cam to go for it at the end of the half and instead Cam told them to kneel and let time expire. If Norv Turner is fired at the end of this season (I hope not for the sake of my Broncos ;) ), he would make a great OC for the Ravens.

RW Willy December 11, 2012 at 02:52 am

Yea, because the guys on the bench are always better then the starters.

RARE MARYLAND INDEPENDENT December 11, 2012 at 03:52 am

It comes down to quarterback play. 4 top quarterbacks with teams in contention:
It will ultimately come down to: AFC BRADY VS. MANNING NFC ROGERS VS. MANNING These are the big boys. They make average coaches look great, average players look great. They arrived with their teams by pure luck, except for Peyton - Elway was willing to sign a possibly injured Peyton for the chance to win a Super Bowl. He knows the value of a top QB. They are the best of the best. Then you have the second tier, Ben, Brees, RGIII (he is coming up quick) and Luck. Not as good as the Big 4 - but sure can win a championship with these folks. Flacco is in that third tier. Schaub, Flacco, Ryan, Cutler, Romo and maybe 5 or 6 others. Can look good, but can look like scrubs also. Schaub looks like a big time scrub tonight. Not sure you can win a championship with this tier. Does anyone believe Schaub even at home can beat Brady and Manning in a playoff game. I will put my money on Brady or Manning all day. Problem is - let Flacco leave, and we could be in trouble unless we get lucky and a top young QB falls into our lap. Coaching can only do so much. As Charles Barkley said, "It is more about Freds and Joes and not X's and O's."

Charm City Dental December 11, 2012 at 07:12 am

we will bounce back. 3 games left and the playoffs

Marshall December 11, 2012 at 11:57 am

I don't think Joe will be back next year. I think another team will offer him more money. He's a proven winner. We should have been in two Superbowls had it not been for our receivers dropping passes. The Ravens offensive line has sucked big time for the past two years and defense is becoming worn down. I don't think Drue Breeze or Erin Rodgers would have done much better with our offensive line and the receivers we have. I'm thinking if the Ravens will ever return to a top five defensive team, it's going to take 3-5 years. The offensive line is going to take at least 3 more years to rebuild also. Can you blame Joe for leaving with our Offensive line and Defense in such disarray? When he's gone, all the Flacco haters will be crying when Joe wins his first Superbowl in another uniform!

1ke December 11, 2012 at 12:22 pm

Jury is still out on the young 'uns. Similarly, until a quarterback is cut loose with the responsibility of managing the game and making the split second decisions based on experience and hunches, you can't really make the final decision on their worthiness or lack thereof. After that, they all undergo the test of time.
By the way, if RG,III keeps running around like he did Sunday, you can scratch him off your short list.

Daniel L. Skillman December 11, 2012 at 12:35 pm

I realize that the offense does need work, but wasn't it the defense that allowed a back-up quarterback to come in, cold off the bench, and score on them?

John Kerner December 11, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Cameron is gone! What can it hurt!

Geoffrey Atkinson December 11, 2012 at 01:15 pm

Biggest problem is not an offense that can put up 28 points against a tough defense... it is a defense that couldn't stop a dandelion puff from floating on by.

John Citzen December 11, 2012 at 01:27 pm

That is the point. A guy walks in drives them and runs in the two like a hot knife thru butter. Was Cam the one who dropped the ball, misses the catches fails to convert, runs the wrong route. How does Cam make the defense tackle and not get injuried ?

Fran Acle December 11, 2012 at 01:39 pm

If our wide receivers could grow a foot taller they might be able to catch more of Flacco's passes! Flacco should be next to go.

Jack Hoppenstein December 11, 2012 at 02:30 pm

Maybe Harbaugh became too close to his players.
Maybe Flacco doesn't inspire the team. Rarely see him on the sideline with anyone. He seems to sulk by himself. It's contagious as a supposed Leader of the team. Wish I had the answers, I'd apply for the coaches job. The players seem to be playing hard, but the combination of mistakes and losing is contageous to the teams ability to come together. They do have the talent on the field, they just need to get it in their individual heads.

Tim December 11, 2012 at 02:35 pm

Cavanaugh really was terrible, though.

Tim December 11, 2012 at 02:39 pm

As much as it pains me to say this (as a Giants fan) RGIII is the real deal. Now, I don't expect him to run like this every year, but reality is he's twice the passer Vick was in Vick's own athletic prime.
Shanny has that ol' zone blocking scheme working for the Redskins again. They are going to be a pain in the ass for the next few seasons, much like the rest of the NFC East. Luck is already showing late game moxy, it's just crazy how prepared/good these QBs are these days. you can lump Newton in there from last season as well. Not as good as the others, but pro ready? Absolutely.

Rosebud December 11, 2012 at 02:50 pm

What took soooooooo long?

Rosebud December 11, 2012 at 03:20 pm

Marshall - I couldn't agree with you more. Flacco has what it takes and the team has some potential great receivers. I think a few other players would need to go before Flacco. Flacco became only the fourth QB to bring his team to 3 (count them) playoffs in a row. What more do you people want?

Otto Schmidlap December 11, 2012 at 03:31 pm

The offense will do a little better in the no-huddle, but the Ravens' real problem lies with the defense. Baltimore needs the offense to stay on the field longer in order to keep its clueless defense on the sideline. Oh, and Mr. Rice, no more bicep poses, please; it makes you look like a self-absorbed moron. The NFL started going downhill a long time ago.

Chuck Burton December 11, 2012 at 03:53 pm

Cameron's play calling had mostly become predictable by other teams. Example: Ravens have ball at or inside their own twenty - he almost always called two running plays and a pass. And if Flacco is really any good he should be free to analyse a defense and change the play when he chooses to. There needs to be trust between the coordinator and the quarterback. As the formerly famed Ravens defense succumbs to injury and age, the offense needs to step up and score more.

Henry Morgan December 11, 2012 at 05:29 pm

Who's better than Flacco right now? Who's been to the playoffs 4 years in a row and made it to the AFC championship game. Oh yeah, he also made the throws to win those games but our receivers couldn't catch the ball. I wouldn't call Flacco elite but I would put him in the top10 in the league right now. O line is weak and we are missing 6 of our 11 starters on def.

Patricia Wright December 11, 2012 at 06:56 pm

It's about time! There have been communication issues between Cameron and Flacco since last year....now, let the Ravens handle there business and clinch a playoff birth!! Go RAVENS!!

Carol December 12, 2012 at 12:23 am

I agree, that's all I've heard for the past few yrs, get rid of Cam, now lets see what they can do.

Paul Hoffman December 12, 2012 at 02:04 am

I have to agree with Tim.....I'm not a Ravens fan with the weapons the team has I just don't understand why they don't win it all....
I just think this firing was bad timing! I could see it if they were the Cardinals....but, at 9 and 4....COME ON!.....is this Harbaughs way of side stepping the blame.

Tim December 12, 2012 at 02:29 am

See I cheer for the Ravens for the sake of Baltimore, you know, city I live in. Unless they play the Giants of course ;)
Which is happening in two weeks actually.